Arshaad

Arshaad · Wed Apr 04, 2007 2:06 pm sHAME SOODHUN-CHOORAMUN

SHAME SOODHUN-CHOORAMUN !
Gavin Glover par lintermediaire so avocat, Ivan Collendavello fine gagne ene bataille legale pou empeche donne 'AZAAN' dan ene certain region de Q.Bornes. C'est ene decision de la Cour Supreme et bizin respecter nimporte ki jugement ki finne delivrer par enne la Cour legale.

Mo point de vue personel lor ca decision la c qui mo entierement dakord ek le jugement. Longtemps pas ti enan reveille, pendule, montre etc, donc pas ti pe conner ki ler la priere. Mais aster nou enan tou banne technologies necessaire. Mo pas p dire bizin arrete donne 'AZAAN'. Mo p dire ki bizin arrete servi haut-parleurs pou donne 'AZAAN'. Disons pas pou les 5 la prieres, mais au moins pou la priere du matin. Li enne fait ki nou pas dans enne pays musulman, donc banne musulman capav et bizin ceder lor ca point la.

Par contre kan nou trouv enne banne 'latet briller' kouman Soodhun ( Chef de file banne Musulman pou MSM) et Maulana Chooramun (Chef Agent Musulman MMM), qui p incite bannes dimounes a la violence et au communalisme. Li bien triste pour la communaute Mauricienne.

Chooramun cassiette dernier so titre de 'maulana' et li p servi la religion pou fer la politique. Soodhun mieux vaux mo pas koz lor li meme, parceki nou tou konner ki li vaux. Mo demande tou banne freres et soeurs musulmans na pas rentre dan la trappe SOODHUN-CHOORAMUN.

Peace and Love, Arshaad

Aniisah · Sat Apr 07, 2007 1:06 pm Azaan

Yup moisi suis daks ek arshaad! Ena ban dimunes p rode fer desorde ek sa jugement kine paC la...
Zot p met politic dan religion....ppfftt!!!

Moi mo penC ki meme si dire arete donne azaan net dan moris pa ve dire Islam pou fini! Dimune ki abitier fer so lapriere li pou ale fer lapriere la li...azaan c pa n kitchose ki obligatoire as such...akoz le Prophete ti p fer li donc li bon nu osi nu suivre ca principle la.....dnc meme si pa tane azaan kapav fer lapriere...n like arshaad said, ena reveil alarm etc pou conne ler aster....le but principal azaan c fer rapel a ban musulmans kine arive ler lapriere!
E de plus, ena moske donne sa azaan la tro fort! zot hurler dan sa ho parleur la...ena ti bb choker tou d foi...Islam dire pa drange ou voisin in any way....apre nu pa dan n pays musulman....nu pa kapav impose nu facon de vivre lor les zots...
Osi, Moi mo demane moi em si sa ban dimunes ki p ale fer tapaz pou rien la, si pa zot em zot fer lapriere...surtu premier lapriere( around 4:30 am)...

Mais ena n ti truc ki vraiem imP unfair...i mean zot ine met sa ke pou azaan...
mo pa p vise okene religion mais kan ena maha shivaratree, par ex, ena mandir ki met zot lapriere fort...tou une jurnee e toute une nuit....li drangeant....

si met la loi bizin met li pou zot tou...pa selman koT religion mais pou tou saki relier a ban broadcast lor ho parleur...li kav miting, concert, mariage....like met n limite volume sipaki...
mo penC li pou pli fair lerla...

e c vrai ki bizin pa rentre dan sa jeu soodhun e sa maulana la....la zot p rode votes ban musulmans pou contre gouvernemnt...e li chagrinant ki ena enta ban ki pou suivre zot....enfin...

Nadeem · Mon Apr 09, 2007 12:07 am Regarding Azaan

Hi,

firstly I just want to say that I do not agree on the comments made by both Arshaad and Aniisah. Gavin Glover should have never got a court order prohibiting the use of speakers to call for prayers.

When the mosque was given planning permission to be built, there was no such restriction in place. The council should have stated there and then that the mosque shall not be allowed the use of loud speakers to call for prayers.

Arshaad, I will like to answer something you wrote. You said that Azaan is not compulsory. Here is a Hadith on Azaan.

Once a blind man came to Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) and said: “O Rasul of Allah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam), I have no guide. Can I perform my Salaat at home.” Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) permitted him to do so. When the blind man turned to leave, Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) called him back and asked: “Can you hear the azaan (at home)?” He replied in the affirmative. Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) then said: “In that case you must attend the jamaat (regardless of your situation).” (Sahih Muslim Vol.1 Pg.232)

In a narration of Abu Dawood, Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) is to reported to have said: “ He who hears the azaan but fails to go the Musjid, without a valid (Shari’) excuse, the Salaat that he has performed (at home) is not accepted.” Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) was asked: “What is a valid excuse?” He replied: “Illness or fear.” (Mishkaat Pg.97)

In both the above Hadith, it clearly states the importance of Azaan.

Now Arshaad, I do agree with you that some people who organised the protests against the Supreme court ruling were doing it for their own good. I don't agree with you saying that Soodhun is doing it for personal gain.

Assad Peeroo too is clearly doing it for political reasons as well as Shakeel Mohammed. I can guarantee you that if those two were in the opposition party, they would have done the same. I think you are bias towards the opposition. I don't support either party and I am neutral on the politics side.

A la fin, nous musulman pas bizin assiser et laisse nerporte ki jugement passer, nous accepter. Morice supposer en pays MULTI CULTURAL. Jordi ena banne MP ki finne servi communalistes pou gagne elections.

Well I rest my case

Peace

Nadeem

Aniisah · Mon Apr 09, 2007 12:28 am azaan

Hmm, it wasnt arshaad who said azaan isnt compulsory. i did! n rytly so... azaan c pa faraaz, thtz wht i meant. I nevr said it wasnt important.
And wht do u do of those people living in countries like the UK? Azaan is downryt prohibited in some places...still there are those muslims who perform their prayers. Their prayers aint accepted?

Read the hadith well.
"Once a blind man came to Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) and said: “O Rasul of Allah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam), I have no guide. Can I perform my Salaat at home.” Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) permitted him to do so. "--> "i have no guide" means no one to take him to the mosque. So the person could do it at home. at HOME! You are still allowed to go to the mosque here.

"When the blind man turned to leave, Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) called him back and asked: “Can you hear the azaan (at home)?” He replied in the affirmative. Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) then said: “In that case you must attend the jamaat (regardless of your situation).” ---> It doesnt mean tht if u dnt hear it, u cnt perform ur swalat.

As you said urself, we r living in a multi cultural society. There must be some kind of tolerance from everyone....thtz y i said the law was unfair in tht sense. it is also true tht we shudnt impose our way on life on others....we aint living in a country ruled by the Shariah.

In the whereabouts of tht masjid in question, i HEARD, tht there aint many muslims living there....so who are u calling to prayer? at 4 30 in the morn?

Azaan is important. I, as a muslim, understands tht....however, i dnt blieve tht all these noise is being made for itz importance....
line vine n jeu politic...ke tu le veuille ou non...alor pa tombe dans sa piege la...

Arshaad · Mon Apr 09, 2007 5:21 am Re: sHAME SOODHUN-CHOORAMUN

Arshaad wrote: SHAME SOODHUN-CHOORAMUN !
Mo pas p dire bizin arrete donne 'AZAAN'. Mo p dire ki bizin arrete servi haut-parleurs pou donne 'AZAAN'. Disons pas pou les 5 la prieres, mais au moins pou la priere du matin. Li enne fait ki nou pas dans enne pays musulman, donc banne musulman capav et bizin ceder lor ca point la.

This is what I actually said mate. I never said it was not compulsory. I said, and I am saying it is ... but it is the use of loud speakers which I guess is NOT compulsory.

I got no reports of what Asasd Peeroo and Shakeel Mohamed did. But i know they were not among those demonstrating in front of Gavin Glover's house.

By the way, yes I am a Labour Party die hard. But this does not mean that I am bias. If you visited my website before, I strongly and severely criticised

(1) YATIN VARMA [ A Labour MP ]
(2) ASHRAF DULLUL [ A Labour MP ]

And for your information I even got emails from Dullul's press agent asking me to remove certain articles from my website. My point is I aint bias about the opposition.

Peace

Nadeem · Mon Apr 09, 2007 10:29 pm Regarding Azaan

Hi,

there is a difference between UK and mauritius. In Mauritius, it has been passed legal to call Azaan using Loud Speakers. I totally agree on the point that it is not necessarily important to give the Azaan very loudly. In the prophet era (peace be upon him), there was no such technology available.

My point of view is that if the Azaan is prohibited because of the law passed 50 years ago, then this will set a precedent for any community to use that Act to suit them when they want.

If there are no muslims in the vicinity of the mosque, why has a mosque been built there. I find that really strange!!!!!

Finally I agree with Aniisah, that a lot of the muslims who went to protest may not be as religious as they seem to be. We are not here to judge people, but there are a lot of Tete Bruler dans lascar. Moi mo ene musulman, et ena fois you feel disgusted with certain brothers and sisters mentally and behaviour.

I apologise to Arshaad for calling you Bias. I am neither a labour or Paul die hard.

Peace

Nadeem

Rid · Sat Apr 14, 2007 2:07 am Animals

Those who are really concerned with this problem are doing everything that can possibly be done to solve it while trying to please every party concerned. They are using the best tool ever : Discussing about the problem and finding reasonable solutions. They are being gentlemen.

Unfortunately, not everybody is concerned with the problem itself. Some people are using it as a sword to help them attain their political aims. These people are those who will do everything to try to reach their goal, no matter how it affects society, no matter how it creates division between the beautiful religions present in the country, no matter how the Muslim community is disgraced. They are those who lack education. They are those who just do not deserve to be respected as they do not respect others. They are just being animals.